entry level programming positions

Jim,

As I have said before, the job market is very good and very tight for
experienced programmers, but not so good for beginner/entry-level
programmers. To make things worse, our economy is currently very close to a
recession. Companies are sitting on the edge, waiting for the signal from
Alan Greenspans to get us out of the trouble water.

My advice to you is to take any programming job that you can find. Don't
care about how much they are paying you. Get the experience first!!! By
the way, are you using any recruiter or the placement office of your school?
Your school's placement office should be the best place for you to start.
Any company listing jobs there is expecting to hire you as entry-level.

What you have said really puzzle me. I remember when I was in college back
in the late 80's, the economy wasn't half as good as today. But all the
graduates in my class who had 3.5 GPA or more got hired even BEFORE they
graduated. Many major corporations came to the campus to recruit the
graduating class. And in the mid 90's, Nortel hired the ENTIRE graduating
class of Computer Science Major from a local university here!!!

So, if what you said is true... that you are on the top of the class (I am
assuming the "top 5 out of 22" means you graduated on the top of the class)
from a well-known school, why didn't you have a job already? Is there
something else that you didn't tell us? I am just wondering.

simon.

"jim K." <knightsaberone@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> How's a person to demonstrate their skills, and find
> employment in languages like VB6,C/C++ and java if companies
> don't want to hire entry level personal. I've graduated almost
> 6 months ago from a highly recommened Computer school,in the
> top 5, out of 22, and still no work. I've worked hard in a
> new career field, can any one out there give me advice or
> direction.
>
> thanks for listening
>
> JK

"jim K." <knightsaberone@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> How's a person to demonstrate their skills, and find
> employment in languages like VB6,C/C++ and java if companies
> don't want to hire entry level personal. I've graduated almost
> 6 months ago from a highly recommened Computer school,in the
> top 5, out of 22, and still no work. I've worked hard in a
> new career field, can any one out there give me advice or
> direction.
>
> thanks for listening
>
> JK
Jk where are you located? You might want to look into finding an agent to
represent you to companies, There are many companies that take on entry level
personel.

I agree for the part that we should hire American workers first before we
hire the foreigners. However, I don't think the salary range for the
foreigners are that much lower as you think. And don't forget that the
employers usually has to pay for the relocation expenses too.

You know why employers are recruiting foreign programmers? Thanks to our
inefficient public school system that cares more about teaching political
correctness (like "I cannot count but I am still special" garbage) than
teaching real substances, such that our youngsters are way behind on maths
and science among all the industrial countries. And thanks to our
college-bound teenagers in the past decade who are not taking CS major like
"bees to honey", even though the computer job market is red hot. And also
thanks to all the people who do not value the important of a college degree
and think they can learn programming and everything else as they go, but
without a degree and without a whole lot of working experience (again
programming at home or your garage after reading a couple books does not
count), employers are not going take a chance on you. They rather hire
someone from overseas with a degree or working experience.

Why employers are hiring foreigners? I think we did it to ourselves.

Just my 2 cents.

simon.

"The NiteFrog.-" <nitefrog@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You stated that,
> >>Graduates in my class who had 3.5 GPA or more got hired even
> >>BEFORE they graduated. Many major corporations came to the
> >>campus to recruit the graduating class.
>
> The probelem today is the H1 visa is killing the market for US
> developers. Even though there are a lot of jobs out there
> you cannot compete with foreign rates.
>
> That is just the way it is sadly to say.
>
> Kev.-
>
>
> On 1 Dec 2000 21:45:55 -0800, "jim K." <knightsaberone@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > How's a person to demonstrate their skills, and find
> > employment in languages like VB6,C/C++ and java if companies
> > don't want to hire entry level personal. I've graduated almost
> > 6 months ago from a highly recommened Computer school,in the
> > top 5, out of 22, and still no work. I've worked hard in a
> > new career field, can any one out there give me advice or
> > direction.
> >
> > thanks for listening
> >
> > JK
>