All Consultants please read this

Pierre:

Yes I agree. I need to get this taken care of at the forefront. However
at the same time I like to let people at least know what condition they are
in. Regardless. But I think I am done with this policy. I can't afford
to spend the time anymore.

Thanks for your comments. I enjoyed your comments.

Rob

"Pierre G. Boutquin" <boutquin@home.com> wrote:
>"Rob" <rob@tconsult.com> wrote in message news:39d236ce$1@news.dev-archive.com...
>> How many of you find yourselfs spending hours of time with clients who
>have
>> million dollar ideas and 100.00 in their bank account?
>
>Well, I have since joined the ranks of corporate programmers, but I never
>had THAT problem. I had a problem of clients running away from me after
10
>minutes of discussion screaming "I cannot afford this guy!". ;)
>
>In the first few minutes of the conversation, I'd make sure the prospect
>knew my fee (say $1000/day). Then when he discussed his $1,000,000 idea,
and
>I'd say: that sounds like 3-4 weeks of work. At that point, either one of
>two things would happen: panic or the discussion would continue. When the
>discussion continued, I have always gotten the job, for my usual fee. When
>the client ran away, I never did waste that much time.
>
>In a few rare cases, we got into "$1000 * 20 days = $20,000. Hmmm, I only
>have a budget of $15,000". Then we were in a position to negociate.
>
>This worked for me and suits my lack of subtlety very well. :)
>
><Pierre />
>
>
>
>

Why are you now a corporate programmer?

"Rob" <rob@tconsult.com> wrote in message news:39d236ce$1@news.dev-archive.com...
>
> Hey gang. I have a question for all of you. I am looking for your
feedback
> and thanks in advance.
>
> How many of you find yourselfs spending hours of time with clients who
have
> million dollar ideas and 100.00 in their bank account? I love what I do
> and I love helping people. But there is nothing more frustrating that
someone
> asking you for a quote on something and then saying, "I can't believe it
> will take that long and cost that much".
>
> I know, I know, as well as anyone that people just do not understand
programming.
> And perhaps I just want to get this off my chest. But some people just
> do not understand that these monster 1,000 page portals with high end
databases
> and private member services cost thousands of dollars. What do you all do
> in these situations? Is there nay other choice besides cutting them lose?
> My prices are way lower than they should be for the services I provide.
> I am very good at what I do and have all the tools for a high end high
scale
> ASP Ecommerce site.
>
> I feel much better now. Going to get more coffee and I look forward to
anyone
> who responds.
>
> Rob
>
>

I have to agree. Money is nice but so is time to wash your undies, see a
movie, go to church, walk around town, etc.

Take time to smell the roses.

"Dan Douglas" <dandouglas@crosswinds.net> wrote in message
news:39ec6314$1@news.dev-archive.com...
> Did I hear that right, $1000 a day?
>
> Are you a private consultant, or does some of that cash flow to your
parent
> company?

I used to be a consultant --now I am a corporate code-monkey. :)

> I feel I am a very good programmer, better than average, but how can I get
> people to pay me $1000 a day?

Well, it's of course a trade-off. Do you want to try and sell 100,000
ordinary apples at $1 or 100 golden apples at $1000? Do you have the
marketing skills to sell the golden apples? etc.

As a consultant, I only wanted to work on those projects that can afford to
pay $1000 a day. I did not work every day of the week. :)

<p/>

"Dan Douglas" <dandouglas@crosswinds.net> wrote:
>Did I hear that right, $1000 a day?
>
>Are you a private consultant, or does some of that cash flow to your parent
>company?
>
>I feel I am a very good programmer, better than average, but how can I get
>people to pay me $1000 a day?

Go to http://pub2.ezboard.com/bcomputerconsultants and ask the question where
a bunch of consultants who make that rate hang out.

Matthew Cromer

Thanks, I am wondering is there anyway I can assess my skills, I know Im a
good programmer, but I have no idea how good other programmers are?

Im thinking of going for my MCSD, but I know its alot of studying, not sure
if I have the time right now..

Dan

Matthew Cromer <matthew@sdaconsulting.com> wrote in message
news:39edbf07$1@news.dev-archive.com...
>
> "Dan Douglas" <dandouglas@crosswinds.net> wrote:
> >Well at 1000$ a day you wouldnt have to work every day of the week.
> >
> >I definatly have the skills to do it, well I just graduated college and
> am
> >developing a mutli-tier client server vb app from scratch by myself and
> >everything is going well.
>
> There are a lot of skills involved to getting the big bucks. The most
important
> ones are marketing skills, not programming skills. You being a new
programmer
> will make it harder.
>
> Go check out http://pub2.ezboard.com/bcomputerconsultants, you will
certainly
> learn how to make a lot more if not $1000/day right away.
>
> Matthew Cromer

Well, Rob, I look forward to consulting now. <g> I've noticed
that most become more realistic once they've worked with
programmers for a while. However, I've seen programmers who
subcontract to programmers and were just as stingy.

Joe
"Rob" <rob@tconsult.com> wrote:
>
>Hey gang. I have a question for all of you. I am looking for your feedback
>and thanks in advance.
>
>How many of you find yourselfs spending hours of time with clients who have
>million dollar ideas and 100.00 in their bank account? I love what I do
>and I love helping people. But there is nothing more frustrating that someone
>asking you for a quote on something and then saying, "I can't believe it
>will take that long and cost that much".
>
>I know, I know, as well as anyone that people just do not understand programming.
> And perhaps I just want to get this off my chest. But some people just
>do not understand that these monster 1,000 page portals with high end databases
>and private member services cost thousands of dollars. What do you all
do
>in these situations? Is there nay other choice besides cutting them lose?
> My prices are way lower than they should be for the services I provide.
> I am very good at what I do and have all the tools for a high end high
scale
>ASP Ecommerce site.
>
>I feel much better now. Going to get more coffee and I look forward to
anyone
>who responds.
>
>Rob
>
>