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how long does it take?

This may be a difficult question to answer in a specific way, but, could anyone
tell me...how fast could I become capable of developing web sites & pages
to where I can earn at least some part time income(I am retiring soon from
a job in a completely unrelated field). I feel the skills and therefore
final product would have to be above that which is possible these days on
the Geocities and other sites that have free page setup and html converters.

Could you then also tell me, what specifically should I learn to get there
as quickly as possible(learning a language like C/C++, etc., it seems would
be impractical at my age(58)as it would involve much time and intensive devotion
to learning and practising to acquire any marketable skills.

So, what specifically should I learn(excuse the long digression above)to
be able to develop and market web pages at a respectable level - even just
to maintain existing sites or pages. And, approximately how long would you
say, might it take me to get to this level.

Thanks very much in advance - Jim
[1118 byte] By [Jim] at [2007-11-9 17:53:17]
# 1 Re: how long does it take?
Hi Jim,

> Could you then also tell me, what specifically should I learn to get
there
> as quickly as possible(learning a language like C/C++, etc., it seems
would
> be impractical at my age(58)as it would involve much time and intensive
devotion
> to learning and practising to acquire any marketable skills.

If you have no or little programming skills I'd recommend you learn at least
basic C++. Every OO or semi-OO language in the planet has its roots on C++
(no flames, please, I'm talking about modern ones). A jump from C++ to
anything else will seem almost childish, assuming you are actually good at
it. It's always better to start from the top and work your way down :-)
Pascal, VB, Java, Eiffel and every other scripting language out there is far
simpler than C++.

> So, what specifically should I learn(excuse the long digression above)to
> be able to develop and market web pages at a respectable level - even just
> to maintain existing sites or pages. And, approximately how long would
you
> say, might it take me to get to this level.

Once you get down with C++, I expect it will take you anywhere from six
months to a year to become acceptably proficient. It really depends on how
much you're willing to give to get there and how well you grasp basic
programming concepts right from the start.

BTW, I'm suggesting something along the lines of what I did nine years ago
when I got started with programming. I got my feet wet with C, but I wish it
would have been C++.

.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Klaus H. Probst, MVP
http://www.vbbox.com/
http://www.mvps.org/ccrp/
Klaus H. Probst at 2007-11-12 0:22:49 >
# 2 Re: how long does it take?
"Klaus H. Probst" <kprobst@vbbox.com> wrote:
>Hi Jim,
>
>> Could you then also tell me, what specifically should I learn to get
>there
>> as quickly as possible(learning a language like C/C++, etc., it seems
>would
>> be impractical at my age(58)as it would involve much time and intensive
>devotion
>> to learning and practising to acquire any marketable skills.
>
>If you have no or little programming skills I'd recommend you learn at least
>basic C++. Every OO or semi-OO language in the planet has its roots on C++
>(no flames, please, I'm talking about modern ones). A jump from C++ to
>anything else will seem almost childish, assuming you are actually good
at
>it. It's always better to start from the top and work your way down :-)
>Pascal, VB, Java, Eiffel and every other scripting language out there is
far
>simpler than C++.
>
>> So, what specifically should I learn(excuse the long digression above)to
>> be able to develop and market web pages at a respectable level - even
just
>> to maintain existing sites or pages. And, approximately how long would
>you
>> say, might it take me to get to this level.
>
>Once you get down with C++, I expect it will take you anywhere from six
>months to a year to become acceptably proficient. It really depends on how
>much you're willing to give to get there and how well you grasp basic
>programming concepts right from the start.
>
>BTW, I'm suggesting something along the lines of what I did nine years ago
>when I got started with programming. I got my feet wet with C, but I wish
it
>would have been C++.
>
>.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>Klaus H. Probst, MVP
> http://www.vbbox.com/
> http://www.mvps.org/ccrp/
>
Thanks Klaus, sounds like solid advice!
.. .Much appreciated.
- Jim
>
>
Jim at 2007-11-12 0:23:51 >
# 3 Re: how long does it take?
"Jim" <lynch@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>This may be a difficult question to answer in a specific way, but, could
anyone
>tell me...how fast could I become capable of developing web sites & pages
>to where I can earn at least some part time income(I am retiring soon from
>a job in a completely unrelated field). I feel the skills and therefore
>final product would have to be above that which is possible these days on
>the Geocities and other sites that have free page setup and html converters.
>
> Could you then also tell me, what specifically should I learn to get there
>as quickly as possible(learning a language like C/C++, etc., it seems would
>be impractical at my age(58)as it would involve much time and intensive
devotion
>to learning and practising to acquire any marketable skills.
>
>So, what specifically should I learn(excuse the long digression above)to
>be able to develop and market web pages at a respectable level - even just
>to maintain existing sites or pages. And, approximately how long would
you
>say, might it take me to get to this level.
>
>Thanks very much in advance - Jim
SamO at 2007-11-12 0:24:53 >
# 4 Re: how long does it take?
"Jim" <lynch@lightspeed.net> wrote in message
news:39c4f9e7$1@news.dev-archive.com...
>
> This may be a difficult question to answer in a specific way, but, could
anyone
> tell me...how fast could I become capable of developing web sites & pages
> to where I can earn at least some part time income(I am retiring soon from
> a job in a completely unrelated field). I feel the skills and therefore
> final product would have to be above that which is possible these days on
> the Geocities and other sites that have free page setup and html
converters.

Well, first of all you have to decide who your customers will be.

A corporate customer will demand a site that requires more programming
skills (typically such a web site is driven by a database in the back end).
Learning to build corporate sites is quite a job. For example if you decide
to use Microsoft technologies (not the only choice of course) you need to
learn say ASP, ADO, COM/DCOM/COM+, SQL, VB, VBScript, MTS. You'll need to
read 1 or 2 books for each of the acronyms I've used.

A home/small business customer will require far less complex sites. You
could study a tool such as FrontPage and be able to deliver much better web
sites than Geocities. A couple of months would suffice, I'd think. But
another challenge may be to find enough customers.

<Pierre/>
Pierre G. Boutquin at 2007-11-12 0:25:58 >